WOMEN-----learning torah VII

sandythedog Posted - 16 July 2008 10:32

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I know that there are debates and discussions on what women can learn. This is what I have understood from other posts:
-not gemara/torah sheb'al peh

-rashi might be okay, bc it explains torah

-and if for learning halacha, something that a girl should know, that's okay.

So a girl could look up something in the gemara, such as halachot of davening, bc it pertains to her, correct?

Also, I love learning, and if I learn, it might occasionally be nuvi, like if I am looking up a point we learned in high school, but usually michtav m'eliyahu, which is mussar, and everyone should learn mussur, right?

Also, torah sheb'chtav is not a problem for girls to learn at all? So if someone wants to learn the parsha, or wants to look up something, that's not an issue? And if they look up something, and don't understand it, so they go to the meforesh to understand it, that's like the point wish Rashi? that it is simply explaining the posuk?

thanks in advance!

MODERATOR Posted - 16 July 2008 11:11

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1) Girls cannot learn Gemora.

2) Girls cannot learn Mishnayos.

3) Girls must learn the Halochos and Hashkofos etc that are relevant to them.

3a) Girls may not learn the discussion surrounding the halochos (shkla v'tarya) but only the bottom line halachah

4) If in the pursuit of #3 they look up something in the Gemora, they can only look up the "bottom line" statement of Halachah without covering the discussion that leads up to it, because that would be a violation of #1.

5) Tanach with Meforshim is a subject of debate.

In Bais Yaakovs it is accepted that girls do learn Rashi and some Meforshim. How far they can take this without violating #1 and/or 3a, since Meforshim contain a mixture of explanation (which they can learn) and explication that is not needed to understand simply the text (which they cannot learn), is not quantifiable and so is not clear.

Rav Shach ZTL has stated that too many meforshim definitely corsses the line in this respect and is assur.