FACTIONS-----breslov 2
pop4lol Posted - 28 March 2007 15:59
I understand how and why there is a problem with lubavitch. I would like to understand if how and why there is a problem with breslev. please answer
taon Posted - 28 March 2007 16:23
There's no problem with breslov, because they don't believe their Rebbe is alive, or Moshiach or any of the problems people have with lubavitch. the whole na-na-nachman thing is something else, it was discussed in the different types of orthodoxies section
Tortured_Soul Posted - 28 March 2007 16:23
Breslov is extremely diverse and eclectic. There is no single central authority as there in other Chassidic sects. So one cannot really make a blanket statement about "Breslov"-- one has to evaluate/judge on a case-by-case basis.
In general, Breslov certainly has a lot of wonderful maalos.
I believe that R' Yaakov Meir Shechter, head of the Breslover congregation in Meah Shearim, is pretty-much universally revered.
pop4lol Posted - 31 March 2007 20:00
What exactly do breslev believe?
pop4lol Posted - 31 March 2007 20:33
Moderator, can you please contribute your opinion.
Tortured_Soul Posted - 31 March 2007 21:53
The following is from a post by the Moderator in the thread entitled 'Chassidus-Litvish, which to choose' in the 'Different Types of "Orthodoxy"' section.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/23qowd
But I would think hard before I decide to become Breslov. The holy writings of Rav Nachman were meant for his people -- not necessarily to be followed in the same way at all time and all places. And even though all chasidus is like this -- custom tailored to the needs and the souls of the talmidim -- Breslov is more "custom tailored" than the average chasidus, meaning, the odds are, it’s not meant for you.
My suggestion would be, if you want to learn Breslov seforim, to learn them only in conjunction with other Chasidishe seforim from other sects, to get the Breslov seforim in perspective.
pop4lol Posted - 01 April 2007 15:35
I am not planning on becoming breslev. I just like to know what things are about in order to know if they are the right or wrong path. If they are wrong to stay away from. and if they are correct to possibly emulate them. Therefore, I want to find out what it is about.
MODERATOR Posted - 22 April 2007 13:26
Breslov does not "believe" anything that the rest of Klall Yisroel doesn’t. Breslov, like the different paths of Chasidus in general, is a methodology, a derech, to go higher, to get to the same place all Jews are supposed to.
All such derochim - chasidus, musar, etc - emphasize a combination of different torah principles, and inspirational behavior on the part of the Talmid or chosid, so that he will grow. The details are very custom-tailored to the Chasidim or Talmidim themselves, and may be anywhere from less useful to counterproductive for those whose personalities - and roots of their soul - are not cut out for the kind of avodah that the Rebbe or Rebbi taught.
Different teachings of different Rebbeim are more generic than others, and Bresolv is very very un-generic. That is to say, it is very Talmid-specific. It involves - and I know I am oversimplifying here - a combination of remedies for sins which are based on kabbalistic concepts (such as Tikun Klalli, which involves saying certain parts of Tehillim in a certain order, and giving tzedakah at Rav Nachmans kever, and more), hisbodedus, emunah peshutah, simcha, etc.
It did engender opposition, mostly from the Shpoler Zaide. Today, Skverer Chasidim still oppose Breslov , based on the objections of the Shpoler Zaide.
However, most Tzadikim were not opposed to Breslov at all, and Rav Nachman's praises and praises - and Haskomos - for his teachings abound among the Tzadikim.
But to read Rav Nachmans writings is one thing - to understand them is another. You need to know who they were addressed to, the level of those Talmidim, the roots of their soul, and you need to know how the methodology works. Especially without a Rebbi, you may lose more than you gain.
Therefore, it has been recommended that if you do learn Breslov Seforim - and there is a lot to gain from them if understood properly and with the proper perspective - you should learn them ONLY ONLY ONLY if you also learn other chasidishe seforim with them as well. That will give you a perspective and a balance.
Tortured_Soul Posted - 22 April 2007 17:36
“Today, Skverer Chasidim still oppose Breslov , based on the objections of the Shpoler Zaide.”
Not as much as you might think, though. I heard a story from someone I know about someone from a non-frum background who enjoyed (and felt he benefited from spiritually) learning Breslover seforim as well as going to
So, while the ‘full-fledged’ Skverer chassidim probably still do not learn any of the Breslover seforim, this story would illustrate that the Skverer Rebbe did not feel that this had to be imposed upon someone in the situation in this man was– someone both _from_ and _in_ a very different place than the Rebbe’s chassidim.
Therefore, it has been recommended that if you do learn Breslov Seforim - and there is a lot to gain from them if understood properly and with the proper perspective - you should learn them ONLY ONLY ONLY if you also learn other chasidishe seforim with them as well. That will give you a perspective and a balance.
Wouldn’t even more essential than that be to learn the Breslover – as well as any of most other Chaddishe – seforim under the direction and guidance of someone qualified to make specific recommendations based on the individual regarding which seforim to learn as well as how to interpret and apply them?
Tortured_Soul Posted - 22 April 2007 19:08
Another thing: I heard that there many in the Litvishe camp who remained opposed to Breslov even long after they had dropped their opposition to other Chassidim?
Is this true and if it is, what is the explanation?
Thanks.
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